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Helping Homeless Veteran’s ‘Foothills Veteran’s Stand Down’

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We’re going to talk a little today about Veterans issues. We’re going to cover a lot of veteran’s issues on the blog today. We do this quite often, from talking American Legion to Veterans Aid and Attendance to many different aspects of veteran’s lifestyles and care and needs. That’s some of what we’re going to get into today but the main focus is going to be on Veterans Stand Down and caring for homeless veterans and how Veterans Stand Down does just an amazing job and Foothills Veterans Stand Down specifically, catering to counties in western North Carolina. I’m very glad to have Dr Rick Vandett with us today to talk about that.

So let’s just get into Dr Rick, I know there was a Stand Down in Hickory that happened on April 29th.

We call it the Foothills Veterans Stand Down. It was held at the Hickory American Legion Fair Grounds on April 29th, the opening ceremonies started at 9.00 in the morning and went to 3, it was listed to end at 2 but if we hadn’t met the needs of the veteran’s we stayed as long as necessary.

Veteran’s started coming in the gate at 8.30 so we made sure they were in place so we could provide a meaningful opening ceremony. We had local JROTC programs in the area that came together to do a color guard and provide services throughout the event. We had a pledge of allegiance, someone sang the national anthem, and I made some opening remarks and another speaker came in also. We had a key note speech from a former veteran who was homeless and who had been saved through a number of agencies working and helping him, and now he’s trying to pay forward that by helping other veteran’s.

So it was a very moving experience to start with and we provided a myriad of opportunities for the veterans that we can talk about as we go along.

Just in reading about Veteran’s Stand Down or the Veteran’s Stand Down organization nationwide and FVSD (Foothills Veterans Stand Down), a few things stood out to me.
First, it’s a great organization, it is not funded by but endorsed by the US department of Veterans Affairs, and there’s an aspect of veterans helping veterans there, as well as community involvement from private organizations and private citizens.
At a stand down, you will go to a county, set up and there will be sponsorships for a table so organizations have a chance to come in and set up booths, as well as opportunities for a big celebration and festival where everyone can come out, meet and greet, maybe have some good food, hang out and learn more about how to take care of our vets.

The idea is to provide a bunch of services and opportunities to help all our veteran’s. We focus primarily on homeless and needy veteran’s but the event is open to every single veteran regardless of their economic status because we want people to get involved and just become more aware of the kinds of things that are offered.

A stand down itself refers to the concept of standing down from battle. I was in Vietnam and when you stood down from battle that meant you went back to the rear, had opportunities to have hot showers, meals, clean clothes, stuff like that and just sort of a day or two to recuperate and re-energize.

Over time we have found that especially with the Vietnam era vets, a lot of these people have fallen on hard times, and to me it’s unconscionable to have a homeless veteran. People who have served this country we cannot turn our backs on them, and so the idea of a stand down has evolved to provide a day where we can symbolically do the stand down from battle, where we can provide hot showers, good meals, clothes.

There are lots of other opportunities as well. When a veteran goes to our stand down he’ll register with the VA, and this is not a VA sponsored event. Most stand downs are, but the Hickory area, the Foothills area is all volunteer and community based. So every penny donated goes 100 % to support our veterans. So the veterans will register through the VA, once they come into the exhibit hall, there are medical services provided right there for them to start with, like physicals, check up to see if there’s anything major so referrals can be made. We have shuttles going to the Catawba Valley Community Dental Lab where we have 6 or 7 area dentists who have taken the day off, they have volunteered their time to provide dental services or cleanings, pulling some teeth, doing preliminary x-raying, if there is more substantial things needed, then they can make referrals. We actually have an oral surgeon who was there examining people. If necessary we’ve had a number of veterans who have not had quality dental care cause of their own situations.

You’ve got to take care of your teeth.

That’s one of the things when they go through our medical section, our medical people are checking their teeth as well, and if they need to be referred, the van takes them to the dental lab. We just want to make sure we take care of whatever needs our veterans have.

So that’s what the Foothills Veteran’s Stand Down and the Stand Down organization is about overall in a nut shell. You can go to it’s a great website, it’s simple, it conveys what you stand for, what you do in western North Carolina and has a link there that say’s ‘get involved’ okay. You can click that link, find out how you can get involved. There’s a form section on the right where you can fill out a volunteer application, agency application, sponsorship, or you can be a t-shirt sponsor.

We talk about veterans on a regular basis, but what we rarely do is for people out there who have not been involved in the military, and I know there are a lot of people who haven’t been, who are really supportive, understand about what it means to serve, what the dangers are to serve, how it affects you, and you spoke about Vietnam era veterans and man, you guys had it rough.

It was difficult, but one of the heart warming things any of us now see is how the troops coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq are being treated by our country. There’s a lot of respect. I have a grandson who served in Afghanistan and he told me the story of coming through the airport and people standing up and applauding him. And that’s wonderful because every single man or woman who serves deserves that kind of respect.

It would probably make a veteran want to cry, just to be happy and overwhelmed.

It most certainly would. But it wasn’t like that coming back from Vietnam. For the Vietnam era vets it wasn’t quite like that. If you look back in history, the Vietnam era, that whole time frame, the 60’s and early 70’s was a very very divisive period of time in our American history. And the Vietnam war was a very divisive war and those of us coming home were seen as symbols of that divisive war. And so there was no standing up and applauding when we came home, which is why today, many Vietnam veterans when meeting each other for the first time will often say ‘Welcome Home’, because no one ever said welcome home to us, we sort of give it to each other, even 50 years later is something special that this group has, a sort of camaraderie among all the Vietnam vets. It was a difficult time for all of us but for any man or woman in a hostile zone it is very very difficult. You don’t think about death because that would just keep you from doing your job.

You went into the Air force is that right?

That’s correct. In 1962 I enlisted in the air force specifically because I did not want to live in pup tents, eat out of mess kits and play around with rifles.

And some how you wound up in the army, living out of pup tents.

Exactly, doing that very thing. I got assigned to Fort Bening Georgia, where I spent two and half years, and at Fort Bening a group was formed that eventually became the 1st Air Cavalry Division that in 1965 went to Vietnam. It was the summer of 1965 we had our first big input of soldiers and marines and sailors into Vietnam and I was part of that group in 1965. I spent 7 months with the 1st Air Cavalry and then the last 5 months with the 1st Infantry Division, as you say living out of pup tents, eating out of mess kits, playing with rifles so I outfoxed myself really well.

But I’m sure you grew from that experience.

I think you could talk to many veterans and you’re a veteran yourself and as you get older you’ll realize that your time in the military colors and shades a lot of what you do with your life, but I think for the Vietnam folks, simply because how history has looked at that particular war and those of us who were involved in it, that one year for most of us colors all of our lives, and I’m 71 years old and that one year still impacts me today.

And now we see our troops coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan and the suicide rates are super high.

One of the things our country is missing I believe Greg is that we don’t have a transition period for people coming back from the battle zone. We train them how to fight but then when they come back, do we train them how to assimilate back into society. Many people do it very easily, many cannot. I also belong to a group that meets, in fact they are meeting right now in Hickory called ‘Veterans Helping Veterans’. We try to reach out to Vietnam veterans, Korea veterans, Afghanistan, Iraq veterans, to help them assimilate because a lot of them as you say are suicidal.

I don’t want to put that label, I think that, yes some are suicidal but I don’t think it starts out that way necessarily. It’s so stressful when you’re on all the time when you’re in a combat zone okay, and you know that, and it’s high stress particularly, and then when you transition out of that and what you’re doing in that zone, it’s a different ball game.

Well PTSD is very real, it is, and some people can adapt and assimilate, others have an awful lot of difficulty and I think we’re missing a piece to help those people. We should be looking for and providing as much help, Stand Down is a small small small way to do it.

This is what I talked about with American Legion and now with Stand Down okay, is the sense of community. I feel like our world war two veterans who also had the same issues right, imagine the stress they were under in world war two marching through Germany, my grandfather that’s what he did, he was infantry, machine gunner, part of a 3 man machine gun group, and you know they’re going through so much stress at that time, but when they came back there was the ticker tape parades for them. Vietnam veterans got left out of that.

You’re right, no sense of closure, and I’m sensing a lot of Iraq and Afghanistan folks coming back there’s that same thing. World war two you got closure because you won the war.

And you had community, and I think for me it’s community, that’s what is lacking right now. The veterans from world war two came back and rolled into American legion and there is still such a huge community of American Legion members, I’m a member of American Legion.

Probably one of the youngest in there.

Yes, and I have my father-in-law over in the western North Carolina district for American Legion, and there is a push to involve younger members, because where are the kids now coming back from Afghanistan? Are they enrolling in the Legion and being welcomed with open arms, all their peers in one community group that they can talk too and associate with, no. There’s the VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars), there is all these groups created for and by veterans. I just don’t see that with the younger generations.

You’re actually correct, I’m an American Legion member myself and we have talked about the need to go out and find where these young folks are so we can let them know what’s out there because a lot of them do not know, and they often see the American Legion as a bunch of old folks that’s not for them. We have to make it inviting enough and relevant enough for them to give them other options.

I couldn’t agree more, I think that sense of community can save a lot of lives of people coming back, and it was certainly unfair regardless of your feelings on the Vietnam war on either side, the people and the kids that were over there fighting were fighting for our country, doing what they were told and were not treated fairly when they came back.

There’s a line that I often use when I give presentations, regardless of how you feel about the war and I agree, and that line is ‘you don’t have to hate the warrior to hate the war’. However you feel about the war that’s fine but don’t take it out on those men or women who have served.

And then really getting into what Foothills Veterans Stand Down does is, it caters to and provides for homeless veterans. Homeless people anywhere is not a good thing. We are the richest country on planet Earth and we’ve enjoyed so many decades and decades of leading the world economically, and for us to have homeless people on the streets period, is not a good thing.
I have been involved with the Cleveland County Rescue Mission and Men’s shelter a number of ways for years and recognize there is a need in any community out there to take care of our homeless. For veterans, people who have signed on the dotted line, on to battle and are putting their lives on the line to die for the rest of us, and their families, and then coming back and really not receiving proper treatment, not getting the welcome, not having the sense of community and because of things that are not there fault like PTSD or other issues they maybe dealing with, or develop as a result of trying to treat yourself for issues like that, through substance abuse, alcohol or anything like that, wind up where they are not viable civilian employees. They don’t fit, they don’t fit in the round hole of society that they come back to and wind up on the street. They especially need help, they deserve help from this country and from every citizen that’s here. Those are my feelings on it.

I agree and as an attorney you have probably had, as you have tried to help needy and homeless people that the government red-tape sometimes gets in the way of providing our veterans help. Our veterans who come back if they have been wounded physically or emotionally or both shouldn’t have to go through reams and reams and miles and miles of red-tape just to get served.

I’m going to say something and it’s going to make some people happy and some people mad. I love the VA, I hate the VA, that’s how I feel about it. I am a VA US department of Affairs certified Attorney to deal with, submit and guide people through benefit planning for Veterans Aid and Attendance benefits. This is a lifetime benefit that can be used to help a veteran couple, a single veteran, a spouse of a veteran or widow of a deceased veteran with a monthly paycheck for life that’s hanging out there.

The VA doesn’t advertise it. But it takes I used to say 6 months for those applications to go through. We just had one approved last week where there was a $10,000 back-pay plus $1788 dollars on going every month, to help care for someone with in-home care, that’s a big bonus for that family and to be able to receive that care at home to take care of that aging veteran whose really in bad shape, so those things are great but the problem is it’s not advertised, and it’s somewhat guarded and it now takes more along the lines of 8 months to a year to be approved. On top of that in the presidential race, it’s a political football, the veteran’s issue.

It makes me happy that the veterans issues are being discussed but it makes me angry in the same breath that none of those guys or gals running have ever served in the military. None of them, not one single day, and they’re all blabbing about veterans issues and I just don’t see how they can care to identify. That’s my personal opinion. I’m happy it’s being discussed but it makes me angry they are discussing it and they don’t have to be subject to the veterans health care system which is great in some ways, and even though the personal things that I have dealt with have made me extremely angry with talking about red-tape, it’s hard to get anything done sometimes when you are dealing with a government agency.

You mentioned that many of us veterans don’t know what’s out there and that’s the kind of thing that we try to provide at the Stand Down. A lot of the vendor tables and agency tables are information sharing tables so the veterans will at least know and try and get connected to the various agencies that will provide that support and just get that knowledge, that awareness that’s out there for them.

So if you are a veteran out there or not, and you want to get involved, or you are a civilian who wants to support veterans, or you are an agency or company out there who has an interest and a need to help homeless veterans and to help veterans in general, you can participate. Go to or call Rick at 828-302-0293. If you want to show your support for Veterans Stand Down and the many veterans out there who are suffering because of what they did for our country, give us a call.

I’ll tell you my own personal experience of being a veteran okay, for the other veterans out there or the people who don’t know, I in no way had it rough okay. I did serve during a war time window during the Gulf War so I am eligible for veterans health care and I was stationed in Chicago and enlisted in 60 degree below wind chill factor in boot camp marching outside, and I was the A-Rock okay. The A-Rock in the Navy, I enlisted in the Navy, I stepped up because we could not in our division which was about 80 men, we could not get it together and find someone with decent rhythm and march us around, so the first week or so was an exploratory process of trying people out. A-Rock is second in command, plus I knew that if you did a good job in boot camp, you could get additional rank coming out of boot camp. But I did not know where I was going to be stationed, I didn’t know what I was going to be doing coming out of there. I really enjoyed the camaraderie of boot camp, I didn’t enjoy at first getting yelled at but that subsided, they still yelled but I knew they were coming from a good place and my drill instructors, my drill sergeants they really cared about me. So in the Navy if you are an A-Rock you can call cadence in a number of different ways. So if I’m marching 80 men, I’m probably going to call cadence and I’m probably going to sing it. I’m from the South so I like to think I have a little bit of soul down there somewhere so that’s how I called cadence. So if we were marching down the street and Great Lakes Illinois is the military base, I might march 80 men something like this:

“One two ehoa hay oh up, day a ho I want to a day a ho up, two a way a ho up, two a ehoa hay a oh up, day a ho a want to a hay a oh up, two a day a hoa up to a want to a ehoa hay a ho up”

Something like that okay, and it would go on and on from there in different ways and we would have plenty of songs we sang and things of that nature but I had a blast in boot camp doing that, being second in command of the division and getting in ridiculous shape, I was skinny when I came out, skinny and with really short hair.

And so I was stationed in San Diego California, well first I went to Memphis to a school for 9 months, then went 3 months to an A school at Virginia Beach and then went to San Diego and one thing I figured out, my dad was in the Navy too, was if you’re in the Navy, you are not probably going to be stationed at a base in Nebraska or somewhere, you’re going to be on the coast, which is alright to me. Then I started getting on aircraft carriers, went around the world, circumnavigated the globe once on the USS Nimitz and then did a middle east tour, both ships were in the middle east, on the Constellation and the most stressful part, you talked about the one year you had in Nam that affected your whole life, I still remember showering with gas masks on in the Gulf because there was a huge threat, a lot of threats coming from Saddam at the time that they were going to send out these missiles and release the poison gas, some kind of biological weapon, so we were walking around the ship and we were on high alert in gas masks. Even taking a shower you had to keep your gas mask on. I haven’t forgotten that.

Anytime you take someone from a normal civilian life and put that same person in a threatening situation of a war zone, that even if it’s one day, one incident, it can color and affect you in many many ways. And I just hope most people understand that and appreciate what veterans do and look for ways to help when they come home.

Because your adrenalin and stress level is just pumping and high all the time, and even then I think that gets heightened to a new level if you’re under fire or if you’re on the ground to another level, and then you come home. It would be hard to know what to do with myself for a while. I think I would need to be re-acclimated.

I think there ought to be some structured ways to make that happen for a lot of people who need that kind of structure, who need to know how to assimilate, to provide education, jobs, that’s one of the things we do at Veterans Helping Veterans in the Hickory area, that will have a lot of people come who are looking for places to work, places to live, and so we can connect them to various agencies to help make that happen.

So can you tell me about some specific instances where veterans Stand Down has helped veterans in our community and how veterans Stand Down specifically helps veterans in western North Carolina.

There are so many vendors that are there that touch other people, but one of them we have is Avalon Farms out of Statesville area, and it’s therapy through animals and horses, things of that nature. And so this person who runs the program had some information and we decided to take a number of veterans, got us some vans, just took them out to the farm, just to see what it was like. We had 3 of our veterans who connected so much with the animals, horses mainly, that they could just put there hands on a horse and almost, not necessarily talk to the horse but emotionally bond. It was like that horse was taking the pressure and the stress away from the veteran onto it’s self so to speak that the veterans have gone back there a number of times and when you get where you feel there are avenues to get rid of the stress, the next step, number one to having a more secure life and a stable life.

More productive.

Exactly, you mentioned earlier about people who will self medicate sometimes and do that because they don’t know they have other options. I believe in the Yahoo philosophy of life, have you heard of the Yahoo Philosophy of Life, Y-A-H-O-O?

I have not heard of that.

You – Always – Have – Other – Options. That’s what yahoo stands for and we try to get that across. You can have the option of choosing something self destructive, or there is another step you can take. And we deal with people who don’t know what that step is. We try to provide positive steps for them, to get where they want to go takes one step at a time and each step they take they get a little more secure, a little more confidence in themselves because we try to provide a safety net for them so they can succeed. Not everybody succeeds. Some people fall back into bad habits but we have found the homeless apartments to live, we have found jobs, we have been very fortunate with our public transportation area with Greenway Transportation, they volunteer drivers and they volunteer vans to get veterans to places they need to go. The social security office for example. It’s people coming together from agencies that provide help, and our job is to help them understand there is a lot of help out there. Your job for example, a lot of people don’t know what you can provide, as you get the word out and our job at the Stand Down is to help get the word out.

Absolutely. I could talk about this subject all morning. I have been honored to talk with Dr Rick Vandett from Foothills Veterans Stand Down and this has been the elder law report. I’m the elder law guy Greg McIntyre, if you need further information on veterans Aid and Attendance or any estate planning deeds, protecting your assets and legacies, call me on 704-259-7040.

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Elder Law Report 072: Hospice’s We Honor Veteran’s Program:

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Listen to Reverend Doctor Terry Floyd, Hospice Veteran’s Coordinator and Chaplain at Hospice Cleveland County has taken on a new role implementing the ‘We Honor Veteran’s Program’. This is a touching a moving show that showcases how Hospice caters to the needs of veterans and truly honors them. #theelderlawguy

NC SHIIP Program Revealed

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Elder Law Report 070
NC SHIIP Program Revealed

You know I was in the military, I was in the Navy and today I heard I was going to discuss the SHIIP program today, and I thought I might be getting shipped out again and be leaving for another 6 months. That’s not at all what the SHIIP Program is. I talked with Melinda Houser with the Lincoln County Extension Center Service who is a family councilor and coordinator for the SHIIP Program, and also Valerie Spearman who is a volunteer councilor since 2003 with the Lincoln County Extension Service.

These programs exist as I understand it, in all communities in North Carolina, not just Lincoln County. We cover 16 counties and very proud to do so and want to make sure we speak to Lincoln County but also relate that to the rest of western NC as well. So the SHIIP Program, tell me about it.

SHIIP’s been around since 1986 and North Carolina was one of the first states and also a showman for the SHIIP Program cause a lot of states model their program after North Carolina, and it’s one of the top ones, it’s been recognized so many times.

It stands for Senior Health Insurance Information Program.

We have open enrollment beginning October 15th through December 7th and it is full speed ahead, 9 until 3 everyday.

We have a satellite office down in Denver, it’s a Christian ministry. We set up an office down there so we can reach the people in the eastern part of the county. One thing that is so interesting is how much money they have saved citizens of Lincoln County. They’ve saved thousands of dollars. It was over four hundred thousand dollars ($400,000) last year.

Explain it to me. I know it’s insurance, I know it involves seniors and is it health insurance, is it a Medicaid supplement?

It’s strictly prescription drug cost.

What happens is we had 22 I think different plans for North Carolina eligible participants and a lot of times the prescription drug plans will drop a Medication or go up on the cost of the prescription drug plan, so what we do is put in all their medications and try to find the lowest cost prescription drug plan for them for the year. So if your drug costs $500 and your plan has dropped that particular drug, if you didn’t change plans you would be paying $500 dollars for the cost of that particular drug. So we may be able to change it to one that would cost $15 dollars for the cost of that same drug.

And you can do that because you’re plugged into all the information.

Yes, Medicare has an online system for us, so we go online and we give people options, but we do not tell you which plan you should use. We give you the information, and typically focus on the top 3 lowest cost plans for the individual, and we view those with them. A lot of times they may not want to go with a particular plan because each particular drug plan is associated with our pharmacies, and there’s preferred pharmacies and then just your normal pharmacy that covers the Part D plan. If you go to a preferred pharmacy you can save more money. So some people don’t want to change to the particular pharmacy that was with that plan so they may choose to pay a little bit more. Or there may be a plan that has a deductible of $360 dollars that they don’t want so they may pay a little bit more to keep from having to pay that particular deductible, because January, February, March, people don’t have a lot of money cause they spent all their money at Christmas time, so they want a plan that doesn’t hit them up front for the $360 dollars. So they may not always choose the lowest cost plan but we do help them find the plans that will save them the most money.

Another issue that I think is relevant to talk about is, a lot of people think well I’m not sick, I don’t take medication, I don’t need a drug plan, and I say what if you have a heart attack or a stroke tomorrow what are you going to do? And so people don’t and they have to pay a penalty. They have to pay a penalty from now on?

It never goes away and it’s around 3 cents, 3.7 cents I think per day until you take a plan, and that penalty will never go away, the lowest will be added to the lowest premium cost.

So you get penalized, it costs more in an emergency when you need it than from planning ahead right?

If you do not take out a plan, between November and December if you do not select a plan, in January if you suddenly get cancer god forbid, you can’t just go get a plan. You cannot enroll until November of the year then it will be effective for the next year. So it’s not easy to get a plan to help you, it’s better to be preventive. Be proactive towards the cost of your prescription drugs, because when you sign up the plans aren’t that expensive. $18.75 was the lowest cost and we have some that go up to $88 dollars per month but I seldom sign anybody up for those plans. It’s just because the plans that cost more doesn’t mean it’s the best plan for you. Each person is different, if your neighbor is paying $18 dollars and we’re telling you the lowest cost plan for you is $33 dollars, your neighbor is not taking the same medication your taking. Everything is based on the particular drugs you are taking at the particular time, so you maybe paying more than your neighbor or you maybe paying less than your neighbor but you will still be paying less than if you didn’t have a plan.

It sounds like were preaching the same thing. I talk all the time about thinking ahead and how it’s cheaper to have Powers of Attorney in place, General Durable Power of Attorney, Healthcare Power of Attorney and Living Will, and maybe some deed planning to protect property against a tragic situation that might happen with healthcare, and it costs much more to do that in an emergency to protect it than it does to plan ahead, it costs a fraction.

You get a lot of people like that who don’t even know there is programs out there for assistance and it’s called the Extra Help Low Income Subsidy. That’s another program we have if someone who comes in and says, well I can’t afford that for my medicine, we look at their assets and if they have any additional benefits. A lot of times people think well I must make too much money or when they look at the cost of their house or things like that but what we look at is the money that they have, and their checking account, and their IRA, if they have a pension fund, and if they qualify for assistance, then they may pay no more than a $1.35 now to $2.65 for their prescription drugs. We have other options for people to look at as well as the actual cost of their medication.

We work closely with social security, DSS, we all combine together as a coordinated program really because a lot of people go to DSS and get on some of their programs and social security and we have an in-line thank goodness with social security and DSS. We work together and are supportive on that.
What DSS does is if someone applies for Medicaid and they send them to us, in the past your prescription drugs used to be a part of Medicaid and now it’s not, it’s separated out, once you turn 65 or go on disability you may qualify.

Once you qualify it would be Medicaid.

People who might not qualify for full Medicaid might qualify for assistance with their prescription drugs, they work separately now. If you have what’s called Full Subsidy and Partial Subsidy. Full subsidy would pay for your Medicaid as well as your prescription drug plans, partial would pay for your prescription, it could pay for your part B premium which is $166 dollars this year and it will also pay all your medications. And it may pay 75% of your cost for medication, if you don’t qualify for full or partial subsidy.

This year if you’re an individual and qualified for the partial subsidy, if you didn’t qualify for Medicaid, you’ve an income limit of $1485 dollars a month. Your resource and asset limits are $13640 dollars. That does not include your home or your cars. It just includes your actual money available to you.
If you’re a married couple living together, your monthly income is then $2002 dollars and fifty cents. Your assets limit is $27250 dollars. So if you come in to seek help with us and you say you can’t afford your medication, we may then send them to the DSS, or they can talk to someone in social security, or we can fill out the application for them for the low income assistance.

And that’s really important, if you think about the things that are available, but we also have people who are on disability who are aged in their 20’s, 30’s, 40’s and they have signed up for these programs and it saves them bunches of money, because a lot of these people are married and have children and there is really a financial hardship for them.

So you know people who are trying to pay for food versus medication?

Yes, lots have come in, it’s sad. We’re trying to do everything we can and a lot of times even if people don’t qualify for the assistance, there are other options which are available. Some of the pharmaceutical companies offer assistance on drugs, unfortunately most will not offer assistance if you’re on partial, even so we bend the line and try an find those companies for them. A lot of times I’ll send them back to their doctor, cause the doctors don’t really know what the patient is paying for the medication, and just say look, I can’t afford this medicine is there a program out there that will pay for it, and most of the doctors were aware of this. One in particular is the people who are diabetics. Some of the diabetic insulin shots are covered 100% once you go into the gap, and the doctors know this and can help them with that, paying for their meds and get it covered free for the entire year.

Another is Helping Hands, occasionally you can get Helping Hands to help with your drug costs.

I’ll print out what the actual cost of the drugs are and I’ll say, go to your doctor and let them know what you’re having to pay. Is there another drug out there that might be a lower cost for you that would do the same thing.

Another drug, more generic, something that can do the same job only cheaper. That sounds like a great program and I’m thinking the community in Lincoln County are extremely blessed to have you.

We have 5 councilors and they are all busy and have done a great job, we’re one of the top counties in North Carolina as far as what they have accomplished, reaching people and saving money. There are a few people that can’t be helped, we’ve had one or two with a situation, there’s nothing worse.

I’ve heard of the SHIIP Program but I wasn’t familiar with it in depth, and that’s something we do on the elder law report is bring information that really may not be advertised in the community as much as needed for the public and for seniors.

So you have 5 councilors there and I know the Lincoln County Extension Service is extremely active in the senior community. How many years?

The Part D part started in 2006 that’s when the prescription drug program came into effect was 2006. We’ve been very involved since then.

The sad thing is it changes so much and people don’t know what’s happening, that‘s the reason we have this program to inform people about the drug benefit change.

Any benefits program changes, for instance you just gave a lot of information about a Medicaid Benefits Program. I do Medicaid Crisis Planning for families all the time but it’s a totally separate program okay than what you’re dealing with. Even the word Medicaid can encompass so many different programs it is unreal.

People are embarrassed about that sometimes but they shouldn’t be embarrassed about this.

So let’s talk about that for a second alright. You’re entire life you pay taxes, sometimes up to 45 to 50 cents on the dollar, if you look at property taxes, income taxes, any kind of sales tax you’re paying, and you’re working hard for this money in all types of industry in Cleveland or Lincoln County or somewhere in western North Carolina, or wherever you may be.

So you take that little 45 to 50 cents on the dollar that you’re left with and try and accumulate things during your life and then, this is what I call the middle class trap, because if you’re really super poor you’re going to get benefits, and you understand that I think, you don’t love that but, if you’re rich, you’re going to plan for that, you don’t need it, you’re going to legally protect yourself. But as a hard working middle class American you feel guilty to go access a benefit, that’s what I see many times but they don’t understand that they pay for that benefit, you created it with your tax dollars. Now it may have dwindled because of, not your fault but dwindling social security, those things are misappropriated or re-appropriated by the powers at be all the time, that money is moved around for different reasons. But it should be there for seniors. You created that pot of money by all your hard work and through all that money you were missing in your pay checks all your life. To access these programs, you talked about asset limits for married and single people, I deal with asset limits for people going into a nursing home or assisted living, at that point you’re asked to spend down all the money you worked so hard for, or that little bit of money you were able to scrounge out of your paycheck, before you can access the benefit you paid for, it makes me mad.

That’s their system, that’s the system we struggle with and then on top of that there’s guilt by the people who need to access it because of their hard working mentality and don’t want to freeload right, so they don’t access it .

I’ll probably get hate mail because of this but bring it on.

I try to put people at ease and the way I do that is by saying, hey my mother in law was on Medicaid in South Carolina. I don’t see any stigma to being on Medicaid because a lot of times you can’t live on their social security, for $400-$500 dollars a month, you can’t live on that.

That’s the food versus prescription drugs,

Right, and one thing we have done in the Christian Ministries who told me if you come in and somebody tells you they’re having to choose between medicine and food, we’ll bring you boxes of food up there they keep in the offices to give to them. It’s Lincoln Christian Ministry. We work closely with them so people don’t leave hungry. A guy that I helped, he said you’d be surprised how many ways you can make Ramon noodles.

We have hungry people in our county. We want to help people anyway we can, we’ve tried to work closely with social security, DSS, Christian Ministry, all of the local areas just to find help for people. There’s just so many in need, we’re passionate about this.

One thing I want to mention is Fraud, we emphasize that too and I want to share something with you on this.

Examples of fraud and abuse is happening everywhere, and we’re talking about people being billed by the hospital or by doctors, billing for services, supplies and equipment that were not provided, this can happen. I want to mention you get a Medicare summary that comes in and people need to look at that Medicare summary and see because we’ve had people charged for things that didn’t even happen in a hospital, or go to a doctors office and find things you’re being charged for, and people are human they make mistakes we know that but people need to be aware of that.

Another thing is having fraudsters calling Medicare beneficiaries and asking for their Medicare number, people getting phone calls from people for their information and some people have been robbed for thousands of dollars.

People give their information over the phone, their Medicare number and whatever. People have been taken and in our county, I know that for a fact. I have turned in 3 different fraud cases to the department of insurance, so these people need to be aware of this, it’s happening in our county, it’s happening in all counties because people are out for money for whatever they can get, drug money or whatever.

So this is happening to people and one thing I want you to remember is, don’t give out your Medicare number to anyone who asks, only your doctor or other Medicare providers should need it. Another thing is don’t give your Medicare number to telephone calls I mentioned that, or door to door salespeople.

We have a case happening in Denver City two years ago. Two people came to this lady’s door and said they wanted to talk about her insurance, and this one man detained the lady about insurance, the other went through the house and just robbed her blind. She wasn’t aware of what was going on with it, and then they left and that was it. They took all kinds of things from the house. So, people are not supposed to knock on your door and say I’ve got this particular insurance program I’d like to talk to you about, Medicare or whatever, no, that’s a problem, it shouldn’t happen but it is happening. I want to emphasize this over and over.

I meant to add we have other programs, we have 4H which is youth and leadership and then I do a program on nutrition and other stuff too. I have another organized group ECA (Extension Community Association) and there’ll be lots of projects in the community for different organizations and we teach a lot of different classes.

We did one yesterday on nutrition, and we did a potato garden with herbs, there is all kinds of things going on that you might be interested in. In the meantime we have a grant for this program-ship. I have a grant that I operate every year. It’s proper insurance, it’s not a lot of money but with our supplies we do education programs, we did a Medicare program not long ago, and had about 75 people there. We go to churches and do our programs and do special supplies with this grant money, it’s only about $3000 dollars which isn’t a lot of money for one year so.

Well, I thank you for the noble work you’re doing. I appreciate it, and if anyone wants to get in touch with you to learn more about the Lincoln County Extension Service, you offer much more than the SHIIP program, all kinds of activities and classes and other things that you can get involved in there, and you have raving fans that come there all the time I know, I’ve been interactive with some of them but how can they get in touch with you?

Okay, we have a phone number, it‘s 704-736-8461.

If you don’t live close to downtown Lincoln County or to Denver, there’s a SHIIP number through the North Carolina Department of Insurance, it’s 1-855-408-1212 and they can give you the name and location of the nearest SHIIP office for you, or they can actually answer your questions there too.

Well thank you so much.

Every community has something similar, a 5 year extension service, your senior services SHIIP Program, councilors who you can talk to about how you can save money on your prescription drugs and how they can help you or a loved one.

This has been the elder law report, I’ve had a lot of fun learning today along with you.

I’m Greg McIntyre, the elder law guy and Elder law attorney with McIntyre Elder Law. If you have any other questions or need any other information about this information or other planning services, you can call our office that’s McIntyre Elder Law on 704-259-7040.

Call me if you have any questions:

Greg McIntyreGreg_Full
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McIntyre Elder Law
123 W. Marion Street, Shelby

Elder Law Report: Hospital Discharge Planning with Sybil Huggins

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Sybil Huggins, manager of discharge planning for Carolina’s Healthcare Systems, Cleveland and Kings Mountain Hospitals, talks about how patients are billed for Medicare and how they are transitioned to either home, in-home care, skilled nursing care or assisted living care after a hospital stay. #theelderlawguy

TV Episode: Experience Cleveland County

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Fresh off the 4 city tour, Greg and Joe talk about how to help seniors afford to stay in home and receive premium care! ‪#‎lawyergreg‬ ‪#‎theelderlawguy‬

Live Radio: Help Homeless Vets – Foothills Veteran’s Stand Down:

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Dr. Roc Vandett with Foothills Veternas Stand Down talk about how you can help take care of our veterans…. That and you get to hear/see Greg sing cadence just like he did in boot camp. #theelderlawguy #LawyerGreg

Live Radio: NC SHIIP Program Explained

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Director, Melinda Houser, and Valorie Spearman, counselor for the Lincoln County Extension service explain how the NC SHIIP program helos saves thounsands per year in prescription drug costs for seniors. #theelderlawguy

The Power of Living Wills and Healthcare Powers Of Attorney

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National Healthcare Decisions Day.

What you would do if you had a healthcare issue, who’s going to come in and make life and death decisions for you?

What is this all about?

National Healthcare Decisions Day is a day set aside by healthcare providers to encourage folks to do advanced directives. In our area with the Carolinas healthcare system, any hospital with the tree of life as its logo is participating in National Healthcare Decisions Day. This is an opportunity to have free signings of Healthcare directives, ‘Healthcare Power of Attorney’ and ‘Living Wills.’ Both these are free at various locations in your community, mentioned further on.

First, what are ‘Living Will’s,’ and ‘Healthcare power of Attorney’s,’ and how do they relate to you?

We assume that everybody knows what they are, I deal with them everyday, but I want everyone who’s reading this in case you’re wondering, to know what’s the difference between a Living Will and a Healthcare Power of Attorney?

To help me with this delicate subject, I interviewed Len Byers from the North Carolina Cooperative Extension.

With the Living Will, you say ‘What’ you want done if you can’t wake up, if you can’t get better, or maybe where the dementia has advanced to a place where you might not know yourself or your loved ones.

The Healthcare Power of Attorney answers the ‘Who.’ Who do you want to make decisions for you if you can’t make them yourself?

When I first started, CPR, breathing machines, tube feeding, kidney dialysis, they were just coming on board, prior to that we didn’t have all that stuff… Once you start using those life support interventions, sometimes they work and you don’t need anyone to make decisions, sometimes despite using them there’s no decisions to make because a person moves on, but in a large category people don’t get better and they don’t go on to glory, they’re stuck and someone’s got to make a decision.

And we’ve had it for about 30 years, we’ve been dealing with this almost on a weekly, sometimes it feels like a daily basis, and it boils down to this:

Some families say to us, “We can’t make that decision, we know that this stuff is not working, we know our loved one can’t wake up or get better, but we just can’t make that decision.”

So in those situations if there had been a Living Will by that person that said, “I don’t want to be stuck in this situation,” or if there had been a Healthcare Power of Attorney and someone said, ‘I’ll make that decision for you, that’ll be tough, I’ll hate doing it but to support your wishes I’ll do it,’ if this had been done ahead of time, then we could save a lot of despair and agony on the part of families in these situations.

Does a Living Will help me pass property?


Then why is it called a Will?

A Living Will was originally designed to let us say, ‘I don’t want to be stuck on machines, let me go naturally,’ it’s the decoration of a desire for a natural death.

The biggest confusion about a living will is it’s got nothing to do with property. It’s about healthcare.

It’s about the end of life decision when someone is terminal, incurable, brain death has occurred for instance and you’re being maintained by life support.

In that situation if you want to be continually maintained or not, do you want to put that guilt ridden decision on your spouse, your kids or your grand kids to make for you?

I think I would have a hard time making that decision for my parents and I hope it’s not a bridge I have to cross. For many families and family members, I have to make that decision for their parents, and it’s a very very hard decision to make. I couldn’t imagine it. But while you’re competent, while you’re coherent, while you know what you’re doing and you can make that decision for yourself, this is your opportunity.

It’s an act of love for your loved one, because you’re really protecting them from pretty dangerous territory to be in.

There’s no way around it when death becomes part of our family’s story, it’s a difficult moment in our journey together, and then when our journey’s go separate ways for a while, whenever you introduce having to make a decision that anyone feels like is anything to do with the dying process, it’s really toxic. I mean it’s something that creeps you and really messes your spirit up.

Some people have asked me five or ten years later after some of the situations, did I kill momma or kill daddy by saying let’s not use the life support anymore? And I said, ‘No.’

Whatever was wrong with them physically, whatever illness they had that we couldn’t change, couldn’t undo the damage, that’s what took their life. You just tried to make a decision that was the best way to love them and care for them in a terrible place.

**Decisions mixed with grief are a very dangerous combination for us.**

We just don’t like to have to do it. The only way I can protect my family, or you protect your family is to make sure they know, ‘this is my decision, I want to save you from having to make it and I want to let you know mine.’ And that’s what the Living Will is designed to do a head of time.

We can write this down why we’re thinking about it, while we’re not even at the hospital, we’re not involved with any healthcare issue, we just do it, and that’s why on ‘Decision Day’ we hope people will come in from the community to these sites we have and just do a ‘Living Will’ or a ‘Healthcare Power of Attorney’ while they’re feeling good, everything’s fine and life is normal.

The days will come when we have to deal with this. Sometimes we have to make decisions about it, and if I’ve not made mine, then the people who love me have got to make it, and there in trouble.

30 or so years ago, I didn’t even know a Living Will existed. But what I did know was that we had families at the hospital who had this question put to them.

We say we tried the things we know to try and we don’t think we can make any difference. We can’t save your loved ones life, but we’ve got this breathing machine going and we’ve been shocking the heart repeatably. We want to ask your help in making a decision to take the breathing machine away or stop shocking the heart.

And it’s like if you could imagine what people would look like if you hit them in the belly with a 2X4, it was excruciating and as a chaplain you see that, and you say ‘oh my God, there’s got to be something to do to try to save us from this agony, to get prepared for and get around it if we can.’ And that’s when I heard about Living Wills and that’s when I became a big fan.

Hopefully with ‘Wills’ I can protect my family, you can protect your family, all of our readers can do things to protect their families. Everybody wants to die in their sleep and wake up in heaven and 1 in 5 or 1 in 4 of us will have that wish come true. The rest of us will be involved in hospitals and involved with these life support modalities and decisions will be a part of it.

It’s just grown since that time, it started with people being absolutely blitzed by having to deal with this, with no preparation, no clue about what to do.

Think about how hard it is to make a decision when you’ve got an idea of what the decisions about.

But then think about a decision for a human being you love, precious to you, but you don’t really know what they want you to do, what they would say, and that’s the thing we determined all those years ago, all of us wanted to know, the doctor, the nurse, family, chaplain what does that person in the bed want us to know, by that point we were not ever going to know.

In the 60’s I lost three grand parents. It was a family experience. Two grandfathers died of a long process at home taken care of by the family, with minimal input from doctors and hospital. Grandmother died rather suddenly. But I contrast that picture with the picture that we see today. And there were no decisions to be made, really what we said and what I was told as a teenager was that Gods in charge, he’ll take care of it, all we’ve got to do is trust him, this is life, death is a part of life, and that kind of natural progression under Gods care, that worked.

Nobody had any decisions to make, no one had any burdens to carry forward. Fifteen years later, everybody is carrying burdens, everybody has got these decisions. The wonderful thing about all these life support interventions that we have is that they work.

Really focusing on National Healthcare Decisions Day, getting everyone out there to make those decisions free of charge at places in your community so you can go ahead and put in place that Living Will or Healthcare Power of Attorney.

So let’s contrast that by now talking about the ‘Healthcare Power of Attorney.’

There are people who don’t have a clear cut person so with the Healthcare Power of Attorney, they get to name a friend or a particular member of their family, someone they know, who they have told their wishes, who knows what they want and this person will carry it out.

My associate Hayden mentioned to me recently about her dad who told her what he wants, and she has the authority to carry that out, and in real time. With real decisions it’s hard on a sheet of paper like a Living Will to imagine everything that comes up. But if you have a Healthcare Power of Attorney, you’ve got a person who knows your wishes and can dialogue with the healthcare providers about what makes sense in line with your wishes. There is still some decision making to be done but not like anything as the excruciating stuff we we’ve mentioned previously because she does know what her dad wants.

These situations are some of the hardest one’s we have because then the family gets at each other and we can’t make a decision and we get stuck. Healthcare organizations are the same as any other, you don’t want to run over the feelings and the wishes of people. You don’t want to incur risk, and so sometimes those people that we need to make a decision for with this kind of contention and arguing going on, they just linger.

So there you have it folks. National HealthCare Decisions Day is coming up Thursday April 14th from 10am to 4pm at multiple locations in Cleveland County.

In Shelby go to:
Brookdale Assisted Living facility,
The Hospital,
Neal Senior center,

In Kings Mountain go to:
Summit Place,
Patricks Senior Center
North Carolina Cooperative Extension.

Check the facility offering these services to get the ‘Healthcare Power of Attorney’ and ‘Living Will’ signed in your neighborhood.

What’s the right thing to do for somebody you love?

Call me if you have any questions:

Greg McIntyreGreg_Full
Elder Law Attorney
McIntyre Elder Law
123 W. Marion Street, Shelby

The Power of Living Wills and Healthcare Powers of Attorney

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We are fortunate to have an expert like Len Byers on the program today to really dig deep into the history and purpose behind Living Wills and Healthcare Powers of Attorney. Don’t miss this episode!

Senior Games with Angela Padgett

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It has been a crazy week but a good week, we’ve had on the radio show John Jurchack talking about falls and how to avoid them, Don Peeler talking about Crystal Springs, a no step community, we talked with Teepa Snow and Joe Seidel and all of this has been about being healthy at home and staying active.

Our entire theme that we’ve been doing this March has been leading into springtime and getting outside. And so today we are going to talk about getting really active and staying that way.

We’re going to talk ‘Senior Olympics.’

The ‘Senior Games’ brings seniors together to train, strut their stuff, be active and compete just like the regular Olympics. I certainly hope I can stay active enough to participate in the ‘Senior Games’ at some time.

Joining me to help with this is Angela Padgett, who is director of the Leona Neal Senior Center in Shelby NC and helps to organize the ‘Senior Games.’

I have given everyone a brief introduction but it would be great to get down to the real muscle of the Senior Games so please let everyone know who you are and what you do and then we’re going to talk about some raffle tickets.

Good, well I’m Angela Padgett, I’m the senior center director at the council of aging Neal Senior Center in Shelby. I’m also a part of the senior center directors position, I’m the local games coordinator for the Cleveland County Senior Games. I do a hodge podge of things with the senior center.

Before we get into ‘Senior Games’ this morning let’s just be clear. ‘Senior Games is not just Cleveland County, we’re talking in nearly every county aren’t they?

They are in nearly every county in the state. It’s ‘Senior Olympics.’ Each county that participates they have local games, local games coordinators, and those folks that win first place in their divisions, there is a slew of games, if they win in pickle ball, they go on to the state finals in October and play for first place in the championship division, and they can get first place in the state, and we have had people in our area who do that.

It’s a huge event every year. Glory Livingston who is actually my assistant, we go to training every year and we meet these folks you know from other counties, and you’d be surprised, say Cabarras County for instance, they have over 300 participants every year. So it’s a big deal, not only for our county but for the state.

Well how many do we have in Cleveland County?

Right now we have 54 participants that have signed up. Of course the deadline has ended but every now and then we might have somebody who doesn’t have a partner and for exception we will let them come in and play but right now we have 54 participants.

But that is the senior games side, there are two parts to senior games. There are the games, which is the Senior Olympics and then there is the Civil Arts which we just completed. Now Civil Arts side there was 32 participants so for the whole Senior Games, we have had over 80 people participate.

It’s kind of confusing there but there are 2 parts to senior games and again we just finished the civil arts side. The civil arts side is your artists, your writers, your dancers, and we just held the Performing Arts Follies at the senior center last week, and our best in show winner which is the ‘Silver Stars,’ it’s a dance group, they are going to go on to the state finals in October, so it’s a huge deal for our county and a lot of people still don’t know about it.

We want to promote the games.

Absolutely, and if they have got 300 in Cabarras County and we’ve got 54 we need to step it up. Every county should have 300 shouldn’t they?

They should but I’ll tell you Cabarras County secret, and the same in Gaston, they actually allow folks from other counties to come in and play. So they do have more folks simply because they allow other counties to come in. Cleveland County we don’t do that.

We used to, we actually used to combine with Lincoln County but the powers at be at the time decided it would fair to our players if we would let only Cleveland County residents play.

But to be honest with you, you’re right about stepping up, because there are a lot of people in Cleveland County. We’re looking at Boiling Springs and Kings Mountain and Shelby and Casar and we could get 300 people in Cleveland County ourselves if people would come out and participate. But it’s the knowledge in your head of thinking you’re someone over 50, and some people might think, why I can’t do that.

Do you have to be a tiptop Olympic shape athlete?

No you don’t, for instance, if you shoot pool, we have billiards as part of one of our events. You don’t have to be in shape to play pool, you just have to have a keen eye and know what you’re doing. If you’re out there and you’re a good pool player, you could come and play and could go to state with billiards.

Football toss, it’s not hard, you may need to have a good arm but we have a gentleman named Bill Young who is 98 years old, and I talk about him all the time. He was one of our state finalists for pickle ball. 98 years old.

Now you just mentioned the magic word, pickle ball. It looks like a lot of fun. I guess this is on a court about the size of a tennis court, played with a big ping pong paddle and plastic riffle type balls.

It is and you can actually go to certain sporting goods stores who have pickle ball sets, so if you ever decide you want to put something like that in your backyard, or even on your drive way, you can.

But how do you get the pickle to bounce?

I don’t know.

So I have a quiz for everyone. Here it is.
1 In what city and country was the first ‘Olympic Games’ held?
2 What year was the first ‘Olympic Games’ held?

Raffle Tickets
The senior center has a raffle coming up. Tell us about the raffle.

It does, a big one. Well we’re very excited in the fact that I don’t believe any non profit in the county has given away this much money.

I think it’s a great opportunity, what are the odds?

1 in 400.

I mean that’s pretty good odds.

Exactly and if folks are interested we’re selling raffle tickets for reverse drawing, the tickets are $100 a piece, with 400 tickets sold, we’re giving away $20’000 dollars.

There are people still selling tickets, I’m still selling tickets, I’ve got 5 left. We’ve got board members selling and if you know anyone who is interested in buying a ticket we do have 50 right now at the senior center.

Why should I buy a ticket, why does this matter? I want to win some money of course but I want to support a good cause.

Well the senior center is a good cause and again folks 50 and over are considered seniors in Cleveland County. Our senior center does a lot for seniors. We promote health and we promote participation, socialization, fellowship and we have a huge services department that if folks are hungry we give them food, if they need meals on wheels we help them get set up for meals on wheels. You’d be surprised at the folks in this area that are hungry, and we help them. If we can’t help them we refer them to someone who can, that’s another part of our services department.

We have a kitchen that we actually run a restaurant out of, to bring money into the senior center, but we need help, we need help to keep our senior center going. We are not a county maintained business, we are a private non-profit.

You have to pay the rent.

We have to pay the rent. We have a building that we owe over 300’000 dollars for that we need to get paid off.

What else could we do if we paid that off?

Good gracious, the sky’s the limit on what we would be able to do. Right now we don’t have funding for home repairs, we used to have funding to send people in to clean folks houses so they could stay in their home and not have to move onto a nurses facility.

We talked about Meals on Wheels also.

Meals on Wheels, and I’m glad you brought that up. Meals on Wheels is very important for our county but unfortunately we have a waiting list for Meals on Wheels. We have over 50 people on the waiting list, that’s 50 people that are hungry that need food, and unfortunately because of our waiting list they can’t get put on right away. And if we were able to pay that building off, there would be no waiting list. It costs $1800 a year to supply one person with a years worth of food.

So one way you could (out there) help do that and help and participate and be eligible to win up to $20’000 is to enter the raffle. It’s $100 per ticket.

And you can buy these tickets with other people if you like. So 4 people can put in to buy a $100 dollar ticket and split the winnings.

So just to finish up, the ‘Senior Olympic Games,’ if anyone wants to participate, who do they contact, where do they come, if they just want to watch, tell me what they do?

We do have a schedule that’s posted online at

The games are going to start opening ceremonies on April 11th at 9.00am at Spangler Stadium at Gardner Webb. They are welcome to come to that. We have games all day long at Gardner Webb and then we move on to Shelby City Park.

If you do have internet and want to come out to watch, go online for a schedule or call me at 704-482-3488 and I’ll be glad to mail you a schedule. You can also come by the senior center and pick a schedule up but we are going to be playing from April 11th on up to April 15th. The majority of the places we will be playing at is Gardner Webb, the Neal Senior Center and Shelby City Park. You can also go to these places, especially Shelby City Park and get a schedule from Mrs Dee Green.

So come on out to play, come on out to watch. It’s important to stay active throughout your life.

Exactly, that’s what it’s all about.

If you want to buy raffle tickets, I need to sell mine so call my office 704-259-7040 for your raffle ticket to win up to $20’000 to support the Neal Senior Center.
And just to give the answers to the quiz earlier, the first ‘Olympic Games’ was held in 776 BC, and the marathon is 26 miles 385 yards. That is the distance between Athens Greece and Marathon, and it was to honor the run of Pheidippides (Phillipedes) during a great war (490BC) he was a messenger and he ran for 26 miles 385 yards.

So just a little bit of history you can pick up on the Elder Law blog. I’m Greg McIntyre, get outside and have a great day.

Call me if you have any questions:

Greg McIntyreGreg_Full
Elder Law Attorney
McIntyre Elder Law
123 W. Marion Street, Shelby


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